I will say that for myself, personally? I very, very, very much always preferred the General Ross from the 2003 Hulk movie, with Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly. I haven’t re-watched it in a good minute, but I felt that that version of General Ross actually, truly, deeply loved and cared for his daughter.
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I re-watched the 2008 reboot a few weeks ago and still to this day, I can’t sense that Ross truly loves his daughter or at least, truly wants to rekindle some kind of relationship with her where she understands and trusts him. It’s disgusting.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
While I --and this is 100% true-- cannot think of a single film he's in that I really like (2003 Hulk may be closest), I definitely love Sam Eliot's acting. His portrayal of General Ross in "Hulk" has got to be the most sympathetic I've seen the character and I totally agree that that Ross loved and cared for his daughter.
He had problems --not the least of which being that he couldn't look at Bruce without seeing his father and that intensely screwed up his judgement (in ways that meshed with an reinforced some bad parenting wrt Betty)-- but he generally came off as someone who was trying to deal with the situation as well as he could, rather than trying to exploit it, and a loving father.
Then in the next movie we get Betty's fiance pointing out, rightly, that (new) General Ross is a monster who doesn't care about his own daughter while the giant green thing seems intent on keeping her safe at great risk to itself. Kind of stinks that we lost the complex General Ross who actually had something where his heart should be, but I totally liked Betty's choice of fiance.
Liked her choice personality-wise, at least. We didn't really need another white dude. If it turned out in a later movie that fiance was actually a black woman who had shape-shifted into the form of a white dude or something for a while but was done with that and will be played by a black woman forever more I'd be completely fine with that. Of course that would require Betty to show up again, and they seem intent on forgetting about her.
Oh, wow! Not a single film of Sam Eliot's?! Not one? :O
(Ehhh, I couldn't say something like that myself-unfortunately, I'm not a big enough movie buff to say so, haha!)
And yeah-that Ross from the 2003 film was pretty good, pretty well-done. The one from 2008, played by William Hurt, is a sickeningly high-Machiavellian exploiter with no care for human rights, life, & dignity. I wouldn't be surprised if he sees himself as a good guy and, not just that, but the hero of the story. Ick. Ugh.
Bwuahahahahahaha on Betty's fiance actually being a shape-shifting black woman! 'Tis fascinating! But, see...black women and women of color in general don't exist, Chris! It's always either white women or men of color.
Remember: you're talking to a unicorn right now. ;)
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Date: 2016-05-26 10:40 pm (UTC)[snip]
I re-watched the 2008 reboot a few weeks ago and still to this day, I can’t sense that Ross truly loves his daughter or at least, truly wants to rekindle some kind of relationship with her where she understands and trusts him. It’s disgusting.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
While I --and this is 100% true-- cannot think of a single film he's in that I really like (2003 Hulk may be closest), I definitely love Sam Eliot's acting. His portrayal of General Ross in "Hulk" has got to be the most sympathetic I've seen the character and I totally agree that that Ross loved and cared for his daughter.
He had problems --not the least of which being that he couldn't look at Bruce without seeing his father and that intensely screwed up his judgement (in ways that meshed with an reinforced some bad parenting wrt Betty)-- but he generally came off as someone who was trying to deal with the situation as well as he could, rather than trying to exploit it, and a loving father.
Then in the next movie we get Betty's fiance pointing out, rightly, that (new) General Ross is a monster who doesn't care about his own daughter while the giant green thing seems intent on keeping her safe at great risk to itself. Kind of stinks that we lost the complex General Ross who actually had something where his heart should be, but I totally liked Betty's choice of fiance.
Liked her choice personality-wise, at least. We didn't really need another white dude. If it turned out in a later movie that fiance was actually a black woman who had shape-shifted into the form of a white dude or something for a while but was done with that and will be played by a black woman forever more I'd be completely fine with that. Of course that would require Betty to show up again, and they seem intent on forgetting about her.
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Date: 2016-05-27 11:21 pm (UTC)(Ehhh, I couldn't say something like that myself-unfortunately, I'm not a big enough movie buff to say so, haha!)
And yeah-that Ross from the 2003 film was pretty good, pretty well-done. The one from 2008, played by William Hurt, is a sickeningly high-Machiavellian exploiter with no care for human rights, life, & dignity. I wouldn't be surprised if he sees himself as a good guy and, not just that, but the hero of the story. Ick. Ugh.
Bwuahahahahahaha on Betty's fiance actually being a shape-shifting black woman! 'Tis fascinating! But, see...black women and women of color in general don't exist, Chris! It's always either white women or men of color.
Remember: you're talking to a unicorn right now. ;)
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Date: 2016-05-28 02:38 am (UTC)